Is covid 19 a manufactured illusion?

26 07 2021

I lifted this straight from my friend Rob’s un-Denial blog…

Dr. David Martin – (Covid is) A Manufactured Illusion

Dr. David Martin has done a detailed review of the 73+ patents relevant to Covid and the facts are shocking and speak for themselves.

Like Rob, you will know I’m seriously allergic to conspiracies but this one smells like it might have legs to me, if only partially……

Everything, according to Dr Martin, we are being told by our “leaders” about Covid is apparently wrong.

I watched this July 9 video presentation a couple of times and sat on it for nearly a week before posting it because it’s so evil that it’s hard to digest and accept.

Click this link to watch the video from it’s Odysee source:

https://odysee.com/@FwapUK:1/A-manufactured-illusion.-Dr-David-Martin-with-Reiner-Fuellmich-9_7_21_-720p:5

Here is a copy on YouTube which may disappear soon:

Not mentioned by Martin but additive to the case against our “leaders” is:

  • aggressive undermining and censorship of Ivermectin, an inexpensive and safe drug for prevention and treatment;
  • no promotion of inexpensive and safe methods for strengthening immune systems;
  • irrational policies such as vaccinating people who have recovered from Covid;
  • no debate of Dr. Bossche’s theory that a mass vaccination campaign during a pandemic with a non-sterilizing vaccine may create more dangerous variants that are immune to the vaccine and a vaccine degraded natural immune system;
  • no investigation of the virus source nor measures to prevent a recurrence.

I feel like I’m having a seriously deranged dream. Why is it becoming so hard to know what to believe and whom to trust? As Nicole Foss said years ago, the trust horizon is fast disappearing…..

If anyone is able to re-spin the data Martin presents into a pro-social or benign scenario, I would be grateful to hear your ideas.


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26 07 2021
marchudson

Really? Um, okay. Well, have a nice plandemic.

26 07 2021
mikestasse

Which means what exactly? You can’t even have bothered to watch it….

26 07 2021
marchudson

Which means I have subscribed to Damn the Matrix for a few years and found it interesting.

But you’ve jumped the shark, and failed to do your home work about this Dr David Martin character.

A cursory search of the internet finds this –
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/08/new-plandemic-video-peddles-misinformation-conspiracies/

I had expected more skepticism from you, and find this video and the argument it makes risible. Therefore have unsubscribed.

Doubtless you will be able to dismiss me as some gulled shill of the Deep State conspiracy or whatever. The last word on this is yours – fill your boots.

26 07 2021
mikestasse

Blogging I’d not a popularity contest. Thanks for the fact check site, I’ll check it out….

26 07 2021
cmandchaos

1) Is Ivermectin being undermined because it works, or because it does not and its a scam?

2) It will be great when Western Medicine researches natural immune boosting techniques, but they don’t. This is not a specific conspiracy about Covid. And how would we test whether the techniques worked against Covid anyway. Classic medical ethics problem. If the techniques don’t work we might kill people, or make people off guard and complacent and help spread the disease.

3) Vaccination, as far as I know, is not compulsory, so there is no need to accept the vaccine if its offered. However, as I understand, it is still not clear how much immunity a person develops to future infections from having Covid. If it was deeply unpleasant you might want to take a vaccine for an immune boost. Some people might take the vaccine to try and help recover from ‘long covid’. Up to them.

4) Is Dr. Bossche a researcher into Vaccines with any experience of treating Covid in humans? One possible reason there is little discussion because he has not made a good case. We still do not know enough about Covid and what kind of immune response is necessary to defeat it. There is always a case for letting lots of people die until those who survive are generally good at handling the disease. This is effectively the Trump, Boris Johnson method and was I think Sweden’s. It is not working that well. Its up to you what kind of death rate you accept, but be careful to specify it before you start the experiment, oh and win people over to the possibility of their death..
5) The virus source does not tell us much about the virus and is usually irrelevant, and plenty of people seem interested in tracing it to shift blame to somewhere else.
6) The best way of preventing the recurrence of a global pandemic is to shut down global travel, especially quick global travel. Which would be a useful step in terms of emissions reduction as well.

28 07 2021
cmandchaos

After I wrote the above, I came across this article on ivermectin, which may help with the idea it’s a scam or a mistake:

https://theconversation.com/a-major-ivermectin-study-has-been-withdrawn-so-what-now-for-the-controversial-drug-164627

And on the idea it is a manufactured virus. I’m not anywhere near well informed enough to tell, but if you are trying to convince me that the Chinese are the only people doing bio-warfare then I will pass. If it was a bioweapon, then the release was clearly accidental (no one should be stupid enough to deliberately release a bioweapon in their own country), and we need to overcome it, not think blame will help. Incidentally, the Chinese and others have blamed the virus on a release by the US military (in China) which is equally plausible (and an act of war), but does not help us solve the problem either.

In either case it might be a good idea to make sure we stop and prosecute, biowarfare research, or make the facilities absolutely idiot proof – which is probably impossible.

26 07 2021
Fox

I looked into this interview on July 10th.

A few things to consider:

These are the patents I believe he is using to make this claim.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US9441041

https://patents.google.com/patent/US9896509B2

Neither contains the precise gene sequence. Saying he knows patents, therefore he know virus patents, is an appeal to authority, not evidence.

Dr. David E. Martin features in Plandemic 2…as a ‘national intelligence analyst’.

He has said:

““There is not a SINGLE paper – not one – that has actually documented that the pathogen detected in one patient was transmitted through the air from another patient…which means every single mask mandate is based on a BELIEF, not on science.”

There is a great deal of evidence.

Aerosol and Surface Stability of SARS-CoV-2 as Compared with SARS-CoV-1 (NEJM)

Turbulent Gas Clouds and Respiratory Pathogen Emissions: Potential Implications for Reducing Transmission of COVID-19 (JAMA)

Aerodynamic analysis of SARS-CoV-2 in two Wuhan hospitals (unedited but accepted for publication) (Nature)

High SARS-CoV-2 Attack Rate Following Exposure at a Choir Practice — Skagit County, Washington, March 2020 (U.S. CDC)

Detection of air and surface contamination by SARS-CoV-2 in hospital rooms of infected patients (Nature)

Aerosol and surface contamination of SARS-CoV-2 observed in quarantine and isolation care (Nature)

Mechanistic Transmission Modeling of COVID-19 on the Diamond Princess Cruise Ship Demonstrates the Importance of Aerosol Transmission (medRxiv)

Airborne Transmission of SARS-CoV-2: Theoretical Considerations and Available Evidence (JAMA)

Open Letter: It is Time to Address Airborne Transmission of COVID-19 (Clinical Infectious Diseases)

Coronavirus: WHO rethinking how Covid-19 spreads in air (BBC)

Modes of transmission of virus causing COVID-19: implications for IPC precaution recommendations (WHO)

Transmission of SARS-CoV-2: implications for infection prevention precautions (WHO)

Interim Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Healthcare Personnel During the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Pandemic (U.S. CDC)

Maximizing Fit for Cloth and Medical Procedure Masks to Improve Performance and Reduce SARS-CoV-2 Transmission and Exposure, 2021 (U.S. CDC)

Take a look at his website:

https://www.m-cam.com/thought-leadership/

This a tongue in check reply I wrote to a true believing friend after looking into the Dr (he is not a medical one)…

“Interview with Hammerman:

“Hello, I am very smart and I’d like you to assume rich too, and I found something in the public record that no one else has, because, I am very smart. To prove this I am talking to Hans Gruber over zoom. If you already believe, then this will be very compelling.”

“Here are all the links to what I am saying along with a clear explanation…..in writing…which is in my other pants…FAUCI on the otherhad clearly patented HIV.”

“To prove how much you should trust me, check out this podcast Pete Evans made with me. Also, look at my website, my weird cartoon mascot and my cool global brand M-CON, (200 insta-followers) and counting! When I worked at the Indian Institute for Management Ahmedabad, India, I really began to understand how important I am.”

Cheers,

Luke

26 07 2021
Bev Courtney

Mike, just a request. When you quote someone will you put it in quote marks and not include your own comments? Most of what you posted comes straight from Rob’s blog, but this sentence: “Like Rob, you will know I’m seriously allergic to conspiracies but this one smells like it might have legs to me, if only partially……” is yours, right in between Rob’s blog comments. Might add, you do this a fair bit….leave out quote marks. It’s often hard to tell what is yours and what not, and is a bit disrespectful to the original writer IMHO.

26 07 2021
mikestasse

Point taken, Rob’s ok with me reproducing his stuff occasionally…

27 07 2021
adam

The people are waking up. The actions of the our government and others doesn’t add up for an illness with such a low mortality rate. Besides there are 6billion too many people in the world. If a virus does come to cull the old and the sick and our first world medical system can’t keep you alive maybe it’s just your time to go.

27 07 2021
MargfromTassie

“The people are waking up”
To what? To a vast conspiracy involving the overwhelming majority of heads of State, virologists, medical researchers and experts all around the world.
The leaders of the world’s most powerful countries have had the vaccines, including Trump and his wife. Including Russia and China. And so have many of the elites of the world, including Bill Gates (and presumably George Soros..) Or did they really??? Maybe they didn’t have the actual vaccine.. and are all pretending?
Australia’s scientists have presumably done their own deep analysis of the vaccines on offer here. Are they in on it ? I’m not a fan of our PM but I can’t for a second believe that he, or our other governmental leaders, are part of this world wide PLANdemic.
It just doesn’t make sense – unless one is paranoid.
So, is it to make money from the vaccine? This is one view of the more conservative anti vaxxers, including David Martin. The other view is that vaccines are part of the agenda of the ‘New World Order’ and the ‘Great Reset’ to reduce the world’s population. I’ve heard this put by three influential people in the anti vacc world atm, one a German lawyer, the other a retired British GP (Vernon Coleman) who was spreading misinformation about AIDS years ago. The third is a former Pfizer employee Michael Yeadon who has said that vaccine recipients will be infertile and/or dead within five years.
Presumably those behind the vaccine ‘agenda’ are incredibly rich and powerful.
But what have ‘they’ got to gain by making people sick or reducing the world population when they already control so many things in the world. They already have huge estates with their organic gardens and lakes and multiple properties around the world. And their own jets and yachts. They live like kings already. Wouldn’t the deaths of vast numbers of people in the world reduce their markets ? In all sorts of products from which they derive their power and lifestyles. Who would be there to service their cars, clean their houses and pools, fix the roads, maintain the electrical systems, yes – even supply and transport medical supplies , including antibiotics and other life saving drugs – which they will presumably need over the course of their lives?
No one has ever said that major pharmaceutical corporations are in it for altruistic reasons. Or that vaccines are 100 % safe or completely effective. Or that lockdowns and restrictions don’t have other adverse consequences. Or that the possible need to have yearly boosters isn’t worrying….Nothing is black or white. But this idea of a huge PLANdemic just doesn’t make sense. To me anyway.
On Michael Yeadon –
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-coronavirus-vaccines-skeptic/

26 07 2021
kate7268

He takes so much out of context, it’s bullshit

26 07 2021
Justin Gan

yes

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 11:48 AM Damn the Matrix wrote:

> mikestasse posted: ” I lifted this straight from my friend Rob’s un-Denial > blog… Dr. David Martin – (Covid is) A Manufactured Illusion Dr. David > Martin has done a detailed review of the 73+ patents relevant to Covid and > the facts are shocking and speak for th” >

26 07 2021
Paul
26 07 2021
moresoma

It’s the same gaggle of conspiracy tards every time – climate change, birthers, truthers, etc etc. White, male, conservative, mostly American.

They’re all seeing & all knowing & it’s the rest of us who are the dupes.

Remember what Sagan said about extraordinaire claims.

I’m not sitting through another stupid fucking tell all conspiracy video by another unremarkable American hustler. I don’t pay attention.

I went to David Martin’s website: https://www.davidmartin.world/upcoming-events/

The event is “A 4 day Intensive Work Shop” on ‘How To Live Fully’ only $2750.00 USD or $4800.00 for couples. Travel & accommodation not included. How to live fully as opposed to living halfly or quarterly.

That’s what Martin is really selling. $4800.00 for couples because stupid people marry other stupid people.

Over the years, I’ve evolved a heuristic – if it’s coming from the US skip it because it’s probably horse shit. If once or twice my heuristic is wrong & it’s a matter of great import, I’ll be sure to hear about it.

26 07 2021
mikestasse

Look, I totally agree about the American horse shit, but there’s also a lot of intelligent Americans like Tverberg, Hagens, the list is long. I really hate generalising…..

29 07 2021
Cooper

Gail Tverberg is not worthy of being on that last, she’s just spinning the same stuff repeatedly.

30 07 2021
mikestasse

We could all be accused of this. I still learn something from every single post she puts out….

26 07 2021
liggleden

I too have watched this number of times. Seems plausible.

On others comments about fact checkers, please, that is the standard way to write anyone off. It’s the lazy man’s way of verifying data. Unless you go through each of the patents mentioned, and you can verify the all the patent data you can’t say either way if this guy is bullshit or not.

26 07 2021
Anthony William O'brien

“No study of the origins” Oh yes there was, but the Chinese government was not completely cooperative. A bat virus either directly or via civets through the Wuhan Markets seems the most viable theory at this stage. All the early cases where near the markets not the laboratory.

“No promotion of immune boosting strategies” To an extent true; Vitamin D, zinc and vitamin C are all essential to the immune system and a substantial proportion of the population is low on vitamin D. However you can overdose on all of these. Vitamin C has the biggest safety margin between enough and way to much, Vitamin D still substantial margin (although not always) Zinc is very problematic any supplementation can become toxic. I would not recommend taking supplements without checking with your doctor.

The article treats all corona viruses as virtually the same.

The fact checking site says he creates a false dichotomy on natural unpatentable and unnatural patentable DNA and processes.

If this was a purely manufactured virus as he seems to be claiming, then the Chinese are so very far in front of us we should all be learning Mandarin. Frankly an impossible claim, there is no way this is a manufactured virus. There are no signs that it is anything but completely natural.

I did not watch it all, but give zero creditability on what I did see.

26 07 2021
Lee Miller

While I get what he is suggesting about the origins and profit motives of the virus I’m still confused about his opinions on the vaccine. Is he suggesting it is useless, dangerous or something else entirely. He didn’t convince me at all.

26 07 2021
mikestasse

This is typical of what’s happening these days with almost any topic…. What do you believe, and what won’t you? I find myself questioning people whose opinions a couple of years ago I would have qualified as gold plated…..

Too much information, too much over our heads, too much complexity….

26 07 2021
mikestasse

And furthermore it’s possible to believe some of what is said and not the rest. I think that’s what an intelligent discussion should be about….

26 07 2021
Anthony William O'brien

Try watching a few cop chase videos. The tribal nature of most replies is evident. Either cops bad and shouldn’t have chased or cops always good. Very little discussion of the actual chase with even the slightest analysis.

26 07 2021
MargfromTassie

“Too much complexity”. Ah, the Collapse of Complex Societies a la Richard Tainter.

26 07 2021
Arie

And as Ross Ashby adds: “Exponential increase in time required to adapt for a system of increasing size”

26 07 2021
MARK BEVIS

Does it matter? Whether lab-made or from nature, it didn’t wipe out 100s of millions of people it was “supposed” to do. We kill far more people per annum with pollution (8 million worldwide) and now climate change itself (5 million worldwide pa). So if it was part of the mythical agenda 21 population reduction scheme that some fantasise about, it’s been a duff weapon. In the 2 years since Covid19 appeared the world population has increased 165 million approximately.
Yes, I’ve seen the patents. Whoop-de-do. That’s neoliberalism for you. There is a whole industry of patent securing just in case for all sorts of things. That’s what unfettered capitalism does.

We know from the atom bomb that if scientists can invent something, they will just because they can, regardless of whether it’s a good idea or not. If Covid19 was man-made, rest assured that the culprits will never be brought to book.

Covid19 IS man made, there is no doubt about that. Whether it was in a lab or more plausibly because of ecosystem devastation – the more rainforests we cut down, the less places these naturally occuring diseases have to go – it was because of something that homo sapiens did. One science paper I read showed there are around 60,000 Covid type diseases around, always have been, naturally occuring in wild species. Now we’ve massacred 70% of those wild species, where else are the diseases gonna go?

The other facts that are overlooked in the lab-release theory is that we now know people in Europe had Covid19 long before the September 2019 outbreak – a Dutch person was diagnosed with it in August 2019, and traces of it were found in Barcelona’s sewage back in April 2019. So if it was a manmade release, it certainly was not the Wuhan outbreak of Sept-Dec 2019.

90% of us are going to die due to civilisation, Covid19 is just another example.

26 07 2021
MargfromTassie

Just saw your post Mike. I will look at David Martin’s talk later tonight upon my return home. I have come across him before. He is undoubtedly quite smart and a high achiever and is having great influence on the conspiracy crowd. Note that he is not a medical Dr. but a PhD and his main occupation has been as a financial adviser/analyst and businessman, and in more recent times, a motivational speaker. He has a long history of challenging the high tech crowd over patents. Until I get back to you –
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/08/new-plandemic-video-peddles-misinformation-conspiracies/

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-vaccine-idUSKBN2AM0SS

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/plandemic-documentary-wild-theory-virus-trail-goes-back-to-1999/news-story/bec8d46d2a5f1d0ba9e736f3969bdc27

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/23/fact-check-plandemic-ii-alleges-false-cdc-nih-conspiracy-theory/3408658001/

Also check out what he has to say to Australians. I can’t say I was particularly impressed, but that’s just my view.

This one didn’t do it for me either.

( Note – there is another Dr David Martin of the American branch of the Royal College of
Physicians, who also speaks on Covid) – https://player.rcplondon.ac.uk/video/1_pay7g5du

26 07 2021
MargfromTassie

Just saw your post Mike. I will look at David Martin’s talk later tonight upon my return home. I have come across him before. He is undoubtedly quite smart and a high achiever and is having great influence on the conspiracy crowd. Note that he is not a medical Dr. but a PhD and his main occupation has been as a financial adviser/analyst and businessman, and in more recent times, a motivational speaker. He has a history of challenging the high tech crowd over patents. Until I get back to you –
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/08/new-plandemic-video-peddles-misinformation-conspiracies/

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-vaccine-idUSKBN2AM0SS

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/plandemic-documentary-wild-theory-virus-trail-goes-back-to-1999/news-story/bec8d46d2a5f1d0ba9e736f3969bdc27

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/23/fact-check-plandemic-ii-alleges-false-cdc-nih-conspiracy-theory/3408658001/

26 07 2021
Arie

With regards to your last point (“no investigation of the virus source nor measures to prevent a recurrence.”) het goes into this in an interview with Stew Peters. Here’s the rumble url: https://rumble.com/vk2bya-exclusive-dr.-david-martin-just-ended-covid-fauci-doj-politicians-in-one-in.html

27 07 2021
JOhn Turbek

MIke, I watched the video referenced a few weeks back. David Martin speaks with great authority on topics that very few of us understand in much depth. I came away feeling there were lots of areas where he could raise concern where they may be plenty of alternative explanations. MY general impression is that the virology/corporate fields are patenting genetic sequences for probably almost anything, It may be perfectly possible to find most viruses noted for patents? It seems fairly clear that the there are people hoping to capitalize on PCR tests and Vaccines for whatever comes along, as it is good for business and one can look like a hero. Now that we can apparently develop vaccines very quickly, it will look very suspicious then the genetic code for the spike can be reverse engineered within a few days. Or even as simple as the breakout is genetically typed and pcr tests developed prior to the outbreak even being acknowledged officially. If the lab leak is real, and it seems like it could be, then these folks may have been well on their way with PCR and spike in the course of their study or well prepared to develop those things once they knew or suspected that the virus had escaped.

DM had a recent podcast with James Howard Kunstler, where they dipped their hands somewhat on Trans issues and the US election steal. That told me a lot about where this guy stands on the alt-right style fear mongering. And while that doesnt disprove his hypothesis, it sort of helps lean me in the direction that he has a fair amount of motivated reasoning that was hidden in the interview that you watched.

29 07 2021
MargfromTassie

Hi John, “That told me a lot about where this guy stands on the alt-right style fear mongering.”
Well, if David Martin was querying the US election result (after all the many rechecks they had), it sort of confirms the gut feeling I had about him. It’s always somewhat of a worry to me when people are so cocksure of themselves and are kinda arrogant. More the hard headed businessman rather than the nuanced academic.

27 07 2021
SteppinOpolis

Yay! Some skeptic skeptics in the crowd. That’s refreshing.

I’ve found the most alarming/plausible stuff coming from Dr. Pierra Kory and Bret Weinstein. Look for their most recent interview on Rogan (Spotify).

If I had to weave the most benign tale that would explain the censorship and lying that we’ve seen, I’d say:

1) The powers that be think they’re saving lives by burying information that might prevent people from being vaccinated.

2) Ivermectin isn’t being embraced for two reasons:

a) no profit (ie. normal business stuff, but with a dollop of influence/corruption/censorship)

b) it has to be used at higher doses than is usual for treating parasites (about 4-6x). Thus, they really don’t know if it is safe, just like they’re saying.

3) The lab leak theory isn’t being pursued because all Western countries’ economies are completely dependent on China. We just don’t make stuff any more. We piss them off, we lose. Trade war has been lost.

4) All politicians like power and control. Fun excuse to expand all powers and roll back civil liberties, this COVID thing.

29 07 2021
adam

Hell yes. Any excuse to roll back civil liberties and demonise hose who question them.

27 07 2021
lemmiwinks

Hi Mike,

I’m dreadfully allergic to conspiracy theories too, but it gives one pause for thought, no? Being a fan of Chris Martenson I thought you would already have seen this:

Regardless, I am not offering my body up for this particular science experiment (cue the outpouring of righteous indignation “You’re anti vax”; I’m not, I encourage anyone and everyone to have it – less pressure on me, “You’re a mouth breathing moron beneath contempt”; opinions vary). Firstly, apart from profit motives, what is the point of a vaccine which does not provide immunity from the disease? Furthermore, both fully and partially vaccinated individuals can contract and transmit the virus. Again, apart from profit, what is the point? Oh, “reduced hospitalisations”, right, compelling.

There is a saying in political circles, “Never let a crisis go to waste”. Take a look at the wholesale demolition of civil rights worldwide, but I’ll focus on Australia. Perhaps the most surprising aspect of this, to me at least, is how many of my fellow citizens are championing this destruction and even complaining that it’s not enough!

We have large scale home detention, border checkpoints, police stationed outside housing complexes, bulk location tracking – I dutifully scan the QR code for my workplace in daily, support for compulsory vaccination using an experimental vaccine which the manufacturer has been indemnified from prosecution (I’m sure the government is itching to pull the trigger on this, but will try the carrot and stick approach – see the UK for example, first) and encouraging fellow citizens to report non compliance to the authorities (which they’re doing with gusto!)

George Orwell and Aldous Huxley could never have conceived of such a dystopian existence. It’s a dictators wet dream.

We’re as close as makes no difference to a single party political system anyway I guess. The mind boggling support for identification systems like a vaccine passport mean we’re one step closer to “Papers?! Vere are your papers? Ve haf vays of making you talk!”

Oh it will never happen here, thought every right minded person in pre Nazi Germany. Thought every right minded person in pre Stalin Russia. Etc, etc.

Do you believe this will end when the crisis is over (when there is no definition of what “over” means). If so I have a business opportunity involving a bridge that you might find very attractive.

27 07 2021
lemmiwinks

Forgot to mention, does anyone else remember when it was acceptable to question things? I mean anything, not just the virus which we dare not name lest our video is demonetised or shadow banned. Now, if your thoughts are not correct you are a pariah. Your figures do not match the governments – false! Government figures contradict what the government told you previously – you’re wrong! The science is settled unless we say it isn’t. Mind you, it’s mostly keyboard warriors doing the enforcing, the government doesn’t have to lift a finger.

Put aside your political and personal alignments and compare and contrast. You’re going to need to be objective (remember that?) It’s hard, but if you try you can do it.

US 2016 presidential election. Russians hacked it! This “narrative” persisted for almost 4 years, loud and proud. It was, after much sandbagging and obfuscation proven to be false with absolutely no fanfare. I would guess the majority of Americans still believe the 2016 election was “hacked by Russia.”.

US 2020 presidential election. Voting irregularities! Conspiracy nutjob! Moron! You are CANCELLED! End of discussion.

On a tangentially related note, I heard air heads on the local radio the other day gushing about electronic voting for local government elections. Anyone who is in favour of electronic voting in any form lacks even the most fundamental understanding of software development.

A first year computer science student will be able to knock together voting software which, to the end user, gives the appearance of a free and fair voting process all while producing whatever outcome is desired. In other words, good news! You need not even turn out for your vote to be counted. Any voting outcome may be produced right down to the timing – neck and neck all the way, landslide, last minute surge of votes from tipping the balance in favour of .

Take, for example, Dominion voting machines. Their software has been ruled as intellectual property and thus cannot be examined by an outside party. If, *IF*, a person or persons wanted to influence the outcome of an election, *hypothetically*, it would require as few as one individual, up to a maximum of a handful to tweak the software. The machines do not need a “backdoor” or to be connected to the internet for this to work, you can bake in any result you want right from the start since you know when polling starts and finishes.

27 07 2021
lemmiwinks

That should read:

“last minute surge of votes from (insert location here) tipping the balance in favour of (insert candidate here).”

Of course it could never happen here.

27 07 2021
MargfromTassie

I follow the UK news and listen to London radio every day. The UK has 65 million people. Australia has 25 million people The UK has had over 130,000 deaths from Covid Australia has had just less than 1000. The UK also has a great many thousands of cases of long Covid (including many in medical personell from interviews I heard with some of them recently. ) Currently in the UK the delta variant is seeing an increasing number of unvaccinated younger people being hospitalised.
Because of the early failure by the UK Parliament to take the situation seriously, the hospitals became overwhelmed with Covid patients. As a result, there are over 5 million surgeries and other medical procedures in backlog, which will take years to rectify. In Australia, because of our early serious response, normal surgeries etc (including a knee reconstruction for my husband) have been able to take place. Hospital personnel here are also not suffering from chronic exhaustion and burnout. Australia experienced economic recession for only one quarter, unlike the UK. In Tasmania, where the virus has been vigilantly kept out, employment returned to pre covid levels a while back.
It’s a shame that the delta variant has entered our country and that we have these restrictions occurring more frequently now. Hopefully we can keep a handle on it until vaccination levels reach the UK level ( the one thing they’ve done well). But where would you have preferred to have been during the last 18 months? Whilst I sympathise with those who are locked out of their jobs and businesses atm, I think your civil liberty concerns are overblown and no doubt influenced by libertarian views from the USA.
We could very well have a much more deadly pandemic in the future, like a SARS or MERs on steroids. Or god forbid, a very contagious hemorrhagic virus . Just like some of history’s earlier pandemics . I’m sure the people then wouldn’t have been too worried about a degree of curtailment to their normal ‘liberties’,

28 07 2021
lemmiwinks

Hi Marg,

It’s impossible to know precisely who will be affected and in what manner, both long and short term by the virus or the vaccines. I guess, like wearing a bicycle helmet should be, it comes down to personal choice. Northern Italy was decimated (old people with a long history of smoking? I don’t know) while Australia has gotten off relatively lightly. We’re certainly not the poster children for fitness.

Personally, I find that based on percentages, rather than whole numbers, I have little to fear from covid, less from the delta variant. I further believe that everyone is free to draw their own conclusions from the available information, whether those conclusions align with my own or not is irrelevant.

Do I want to catch it? Hell no. Am I living my life in dread of someone giving it to me? Hell no. I was once sick with what I believe must have been seasonal influenza. I say that because I’ve never been so sick in my entire life. It was all I could do in the morning to drag my carcass from the bed to a recliner and then back again in the evening. A bit like the old joke about seasickness, I remember one day being truly afraid that I would die, I was so sick, and then the next day I was afraid that I would not.

I supported the first lockdown, it certainly seemed to work and I scoffed at the protesters. This time around I find myself sympathising with the protesters and wondering if the lockdown is doing more harm than good.

As for a very contagious hemorrhagic virus it’s already out there, certainly not new. There was an ebola outbreak in West Africa in 2019 but it wasn’t deemed newsworthy in the western world. Fortunately, as viruses do, it gets more transmissible and less lethal and burns out. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/nothing-short-terrifying-ebola-death-toll-hit-1000-lethal-virus/

It’s refreshing to be able to discuss these issues online as adults.

28 07 2021
Bev Courtney

Good comments, Marg, also for your earlier comprehensive post, (for which I couldn’t see a reply button). While I’m not a fan of lockdowns I have to admit it seems to have done some good here, maybe we just got lucky. My main concern is the fear campaign and the deliberate banning of differing opinions and/or knowledge…..why is it being done? The only reason I can see is to benefit Big Pharma.

27 07 2021
MargfromTassie

As I see it, these are the main views held by the anti vaxxers. One person I know believes them all, despite there being the odd contradiction….
– the virus was deliberately manufactured to make people sick so that Big Pharma could make lots of money from Governments buying their vaccines
– it is the vaccines that are causing the illnesses, death and long Covid ( despite the fact that those preceded the development of the vaccines)
– Although the virus was deliberately manufactured, it is harmless, “no worse than the flu” and death certificates showing Covid were deliberately falsified
– Governments love lockdowns and restrictions because they have an agenda of social control , just like China. It all being part of “The Great Reset”, which is the new Agenda 21.
(Despite most politicians also having restraints on their day to day lives. And being subject to abuse and threats, just like many health spokespeople, journalists and hospital physicians.
And despite the World Economic Forum’s ‘Great Reset’ being more about issues of sustainability and equity.)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset
No one likes lockdowns etc. A lot of people seem to have a serious inability to cope with them – understandably if their financial well-being is affected. The situation doesn’t suit them. But that shouldn’t be the reason for going along with these anti vacc theories.
I do wonder how these people would cope with an outbreak of something much worse like Ebola? Also how they would have coped with the curfews, blackouts, rations and daily threat of invasion over 4 years experienced by millions in Europe and elsewhere in WW2.
In the future, as serious challenges to and curbs on our current lifestyles from energy descent and climate change begin to occur, I can imagine the climate change deniers and believers in abiotic oil will be everywhere.

29 07 2021
mikestasse

And how will they cope with full blown collapse when it happens if they can’t cope with government assisted lockdowns…?

27 07 2021
MargfromTassie

As I see it, these are the main views held by the anti vaxxers. One person I know believes them all, despite there being the odd inconsistency…
– the virus was deliberately manufactured to make people sick so that Big Pharma could make lots of money from Governments buying their vaccines.
– it is the actually the vaccines that are causing the illnesses, death and long Covid ( despite the fact that those preceded the development of the vaccines)
– Although the virus was deliberately manufactured, it is harmless, “no worse than the flu”. Death certificates showing Covid were deliberately falsified
– Governments love lockdowns and restrictions because they have an agenda of social control , just like China. It all being part of “The Great Reset”, which is the new Agenda 21.
(Despite most politicians also having restraints on their day to day lives. And being subject to abuse and threats, just like many health spokespeople, journalists and hospital physicians.

No one likes lockdowns, masks etc. A lot of people seem to have a serious inability to cope with them – quite understandably if their financial well-being is affected. The situation doesn’t suit them. But that shouldn’t be the reason for going along with these anti vacc theories.
I do wonder how these people would cope with an outbreak of something much worse like Ebola? And I wonder too, how they would have coped with the curfews, blackouts, rations and the daily threat of invasion over 4 years experienced by hundreds of millions in Europe and elsewhere in WW2.
In the not too distant future, when serious challenges to and curbs on our current lifestyles resulting from CLIMATE CHANGE and ENERGY DESCENT begin to occur, I can imagine the climate change deniers and believers in abiotic oil will be out in force everywhere.

29 07 2021
MargfromTassie

Hi Bev, If alternative views are being discouraged by Governments, i don’t think that the main aim is to benefit Big Pharma. It’s being done because they don’t want people being confused – they want at least 80% of people to take the virus seriously enough so that they get vaccinated, which the Govts believe, on scientific advice, is the way out of the pandemic. The Federal Govt in particular has been anxious to get the economy moving again and to eventually reopen our national borders.
(Like a lot of us though, they may now be coming to the realisation that, for one reason or another, Covid ain’t going away…)
And, although many of the different opinions are not being aired in the mainstream media, the anti vaccination people seem to be getting their views out well enough – especially on platforms like BitTube.

31 07 2021
Blue Peter

G’day, All.
Judging by the No of comments I think you have hit a winner here Mike.
What do peoples recon about this piece?
“Vaccines May Have Increased Swine Flu Risk.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-03-04/vaccines-may-have-increased-swine-flu-risk/1967508
Blue Peter…………….

2 08 2021
Austapteryx

As a scientist who patents things, I would like to make a few comments.

Dr Martin’s narrative seems to be that this was all planned in advance and uses various pieces of evidence to support that narrative. As far as the patents go, it would be quite normal for a scientist to look at SARS (and/or MERS), expect that something similar may re-occur and to try to develop both tools to fight and detect such things, which appears to be what they have done. It would also be quite normal to patent that. Research takes a lot of money, and if you can get some return on that, it can fund more research.

One thing Dr Martin did not bring up that I could see, was to point out that the two main patents he referred to expired before the SARS-Cov-2 (COVID-19) outbreak due to non-payment. This would seem an odd choice if you were planning a pandemic.

The rather problematic statement from Peter Daszak is certainly there as stated. Peter Daszak is also one of the scientists who stated that SARS-Cov-2 must have come from natural sources, despite knowing full well that was not true, as he is involved in gain of function research. But questions about his character do not necessarily imply a broader conspiracy.

Dr Martin’s assertion that the virus is not novel is due to mistaken or wilful interpretation of the data. He says there is 89-90% overlap with the clade, but that is not all that much. We overlap about 98.8% with chimps, but clearly we are not the same.

I have seen no evidence that SARS-Cov-2 is of natural origin. If you have followed Chris Martenson’s videos, you will have seen that the spike protein includes the known polybasic furin cleavage site, which corresponds to 12 base pairs on the genome. None of the close relatives to this virus have that sequence and natural mutations do not occur a convenient 12 at a time, so the evidence for it coming from a lab is overwhelming at this point.

As far as whether Big Pharma are involved in suppressing hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin – I found a paper in one of the Rheumatology journals which gave data indicating all sorts of negative effects from hydroxychloroquine, out of step with previous literature. It had the same problem as the fraudulent Lancet paper, in that it did not look like there was enough time to get approvals for the data. The authors were pretty much all from Janssen aka Johnson and Johnson, who are of course one of the vaccine manufacturers. It looked like a hit job. Big Pharma are of course about making money, and they can’t make nearly as much from their vaccines if people find other cheap treatments that work.

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