Silver bullets galore…

3 05 2021

As someone who has been turning marginal land into something that will grow crops, I can really relate to this.


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3 05 2021
Dr Mike Joy

I’m sorry love everything on this site but this is a load of cow shite

3 05 2021
mikestasse

Well, you’re entitled to your beliefs and opinions, but not your own facts…..

3 05 2021
Anthony William O'brien

Both sides of the argument are not giving the full picture. There is such a variety of ways of raising beef that an overall picture is misleading.

3 05 2021
MargfromTassie

Very interesting. Good to get the other viewpoint. I certainly cant see Americans, Aussies or Argentinians even reaching 10% veganism. That said, the main reason for decreasing our consumption of meat should relate to animal cruelty. Increased prices could compensate producers for the banning of feedlots, factory farmed poultry, pig stalls and mandated shade and shelter for animals in the open, plus humane Scandinavian style killing. Live export of cattle and sheep should also be banned.
As with so many problems, human population growth is a major causative factor. Australia, the driest continent, needs to watch its immigration intake and population growth since the main cause of land clearing and removal of trees and natural vegetation is agriculture – even more so than housing developments and urban spread.

5 05 2021
tonycoffee

“Well, you’re entitled to your beliefs and opinions, but not your own facts…..”

Unless you can prove your facts.
Dr Frank Mitloehner’s data, Unnatural Vegan’s and What I’ve Learned’s
data, are all based on other ‘data’.
Both ‘What I’ve Learned’ and ‘Unnatural Vegan”s video had glaring oversimplifications and misdirections, but both are well worth viewing and have useful points.

6 05 2021
mikestasse

My eyes glazed over within the first ten seconds of that video….. Livestock is NOT fed soy beans, it’s fed the meal left over after the beans have been turned into human food in the industrial food processing system, and biofuels.

6 05 2021
mikestasse

Have you got any farming experience?

More planning at the Fanny Farm

11 05 2021
tonycoffee

“Livestock is NOT fed soy beans, it’s fed the meal left over after the beans have been turned into human food in the industrial food processing system, and biofuels.”

Humans eat soya beans indirectly, but animals eat massively more soya beans indirectly.

“According to USDA estimates, 87% of the global soy output is processed into soy oil and soy cake, with the latter used almost entirely as an animal feed (see Figure 3). Only 6% of global soy output is used for foods for human consumption that are produced from whole soybeans (e.g. edamame beans, tofu, soymilk, soy sauce, or tempeh) and another 7% is used as a whole-bean animal feed.” :
https://tabledebates.org/building-blocks/soy-food-feed-and-land-use-change
[ >Explanation >3. What has driven the global increase in soy production?]

Seems like rather a lot of “leftovers” ?

12 05 2021
mikestasse

You left out biofuels….

Also, it’s not all they eat. Cattle is usually around two years old at slaughter, and only spend the last three months in feedlots at most. Before that they’re on pasture. I’m totally against feedlots because they produce lower quality meat full of chronic inflammation causing omega six fatty acids not present in grass fed beef.

12 05 2021
mikestasse

Also, most human soy consumption isn’t “edamame beans, tofu, soymilk, soy sauce, or tempeh”, it’s fillers in packaged food…. Pick up any packaged food at the supermarket and it will almost certainly contain soy, which is why I never buy it…

13 05 2021
13 05 2021
tonycoffee

“most human soy consumption isn’t “edamame beans, tofu, soymilk, soy sauce, or tempeh”

Figure 3 in the Link I gave is at variance with that mike: Tofu 44%, Soya milk 35%, Other 20%; and ‘Beef’ accounting for less than 1% of animal soya products consumed. ( assuming the authors Walter Fraanje and Tara Garnett have the facts correct and are acting in good faith )

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