The Future is Impossible…….

8 02 2014

Pr Kevin Anderson

I don’t know how this person managed to go under my radar unnoticed for this long, but following on from a discussion on the Conversation, some bloke who calls himself Trevor S gave me a link to the Cabot Institute Annual Lecture 2012 by Professor Kevin Anderson from the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Centre…..

The lecture goes for 58 minutes, and a warning, it’s not for non doomers.

I have to say I have been struggling lately with how our future will turn out.  There have been loads of discussions all over the internet about whether CC will cause Near Term Extinction (the Guy McPherson camp), or whether we really don’t need to worry about CC too much because economic collapse is close at hand and it will put an end to the emissions nonsense,   All the techno optimists are out in force telling us they will save the day with Boron, Thorium, EVs, renewables, biomass, etc etc…….  while Gail Tverberg tells us it will never happen because Limits to Growth is at hand and none of this will occur….

You have to understand that I actually respect all these people very highly, I understand where each one of them is coming from, and I can see all their scenarios being possibilities.  Disappointingly, there was quite a spat recently between Nicole Foss and Guy McPherson over this, which I refuse to get involved in….  are we not all on the same side?  Throw in David Holmgren’s Crash on Demand discourse, and it all gets even more confusing.  Here‘s an excellent podcast of David and Nicole (not speaking at the same interview unfortunately…)  I had trouble with that link not working (might be fine for windoze users..), but instead downloaded the mp3 file to my laptop.

Kevin Anderson seems to be well aware of the stupidity of neo classical growthist economics, but his predictions of increasing emissions, and I mean exponential increases, are totally at odds with Peak oil and resources constraints as discussed by Simon Michaux……  Of course, he is absolutely right in pointing out that emissions actually grew faster than ever since the GFC started in 2008, in the face of Peak Oil no less, which he never mentions, and you have to wonder how this is happening.  I know I do….  Maybe I should arrange a conference with all these people present so they could thrash these points out for me!  Just imagine a dinner party with Nicole, Gail, Guy, David, Kevin, plus James Howard Kunstler for light relief…….  Oh and Chris Martenson too while we’re at it…  what a doozie that would be!

jumpEvery morning, I open my laptop in anticipation of a serious economic crash……  but it never comes.  Has anyone else seen news items about high flyers (or should that be fallers?) in Wall Street jumping off buildings..?

In a span of four days last week, two current executives and one recently retired top ranking executive of major financial firms were found dead. Both media and police have been quick to label the deaths as likely suicides. Missing from the reports is the salient fact that all three of the financial firms the executives worked for are under investigation for potentially serious financial fraud.



7 responses

8 02 2014

Hi Mike, I appreciate the quandary, or series of quandaries. My line is that no one can accurately predict the future. There are so many variables involved, all of which may change at any time. The only thing we can control is our own personal response to a series of potential outcomes.

We have to become more resilient, but not see it as the only response, it has to be matched with withdrawal from consumerism, withdrawal from investing in banks/super schemes which invest in fossil fuels.

We have an obligation to become directly involved in actions that create positive change and, as you so rightly mention – do it together. The sideways elbowing such as with Foss and McPherson is detrimental. If we can’t work out how to work together regardless of differing opinions even though we’re working for a similargoal then we’re rooted. A spiritual revolution required.

8 02 2014

Yes, I’ve noticed those articles about high flying bankers popping their clogs. Ive fwd’d to some economic / finance journos asking if they have any industry gossip. Nothing yet. Not holding my breath.

8 02 2014

Too true Linda. We have to start with ourselves, be our own leaders and show others how it’s done.

8 02 2014
Terry Wall

Thanks for that Mike. I still find it a bit like thanking the nurse for a huge injection with a needle the size of a zulu spear. No matter how painful, your life depends on it

Terry Wall

Shoal Bay, 2315 NSW Australia

8 02 2014
Terry Wall

I am not sure if I thanked you for the heads up on this lecture J

Terry Wall

Shoal Bay, 2315 NSW Australia Mobile +61(0)468 602 622

Mobile NZ 0221 951 309

If the world takes action on climate change and it is wrong, we end up with a less toxic more sustainable place to live.

If the world doesn’t take action and we are wrong; we fry. You choose.

9 02 2014
Lucas Wheeler

Or you could just find a quite, cozy, booth in your favorite local bar and, spend an enlightening evening with Dave Cohen from “Decline of the Empire” fame.

13 02 2014

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