Are we running out of people to vote for…?

21 02 2013

Recently, my friend Dave Kimble (who wrote this post) contacted the leader of the Australian Greens regarding many of the things we discuss here on this blog.  Christine Milne’s office sent him the following reply:

Dear Dave,

Thank you for contacting Senator Milne; I am replying on her behalf.

We appreciate you providing us with your comments on peak coal use and reduction in China. Christine has long been an advocate of the urgency of addressing peak oil. In a speech to the Senate on March 15 2012, Christine highlighted that “We are talking about that vision for Australia in the context of the major crises facing the nation now: the global climate crisis, the global energy crisis—including peak oil —a food security crisis and a water crisis. All of those things are coming together and every nation, including Australia, has to face up to them.”

Christine is confident in Australia’s, and the world’s, ability to overcome these problems. As she has said, “it is time to act. Australia needs a strategy to oil proof the country through investment in everything from public transport to electric vehicles as well as assisting farmers in getting off petro-chemical fertilisers.” The Australian Greens are committed to reaching 100%  stationary electricity in Australia from renewable sources, and are confident in our ability to achieve this through increasingly (sic) the renewable energy target (RET) and in addition measures such as feed-in tariffs and regulations to support a range of prospective new ret, renewable energy technologies. The capacity for Australia to do this has been recognised by the Climate Commission (see their full report here: You may also like to read Christine’s recent interview with Renew Economy, where she talks about her experiences visiting solar thermal plants in Spain: Interestingly, over the last three months in Spain, wind farms have produced more electricity than any other source:

I hope that this has clarified the Greens position, and given you some insight into the renewable energy opportunities the Greens are pushing for.

Kind regards,

Felicity Gray
Office of Senator Christine Milne
Leader of the Australian Greens
GPO Box 896 Hobart TAS 7001 | Ph: 03 6224 8899 | Fax: 03 6224 7599 |

Dave’s thoughts on the matter..?  “As a political party hoping to win more votes, you can’t sell limiting peoples’ right to have children, cutting consumption and not wasting energy trying to find technical fixes for Peak Energy, even if you had found policies on how to achieve it.

So we are locked in to disaster.”

And I agree.  Nobody, but nobody gets entropy…….

I had to laugh when I recently read “The inability to adapt to the changing world economy is the primary cause of Tasmania’s ills” in an article written by the fellow who replaced Bob Brown in the Senate (Peter Whish-Wilson) at the Tamanian Times website….  I thought he was an economist?  Yet, platitudes like “Clean, green and clever” [economies] abound, without a thought being given to the debt problems…..  because nothing will become “Clean, green and clever” until we get rid of the debts.




5 responses

22 02 2013
Graham Palmer

“So we are locked in disaster” I am not sure if this is a criticism of Greens policies or just an acknowledgement that they presently don’t have the power change anything. As for Peter Whish-Wilson’s piece in the Tasmanian Times, I thought he was spot on in regard to the state of the Tasmanian economy and the inertia or inability of either major parties to break away from the shackles of the past. And I was uplifted by his philosophical interpretation of why many people choose to live here, me included.

23 02 2013

Graham, I was “uplifted by his philosophical interpretation of why many people choose to live [in Tasmania]” too. But I still question whether he actually understand the predicament the whole world, including Tasmania, is facing. I need him to come out and say we have to abandon growth….

22 02 2013

This will no doubt offend many, if not all of your readers including yourself but The Greens are possibly the worst, maddest political party we have. Many well meaning organisations have become extremist in one way or another (though frankly The Greens probably started out that way).

Take the RSPCA, used to be a decent organisation but now is little more than a mouthpiece for Animals Australia/PETA and other nutjob groups of the same ilk. There’s no-one to vote for in politics, certainly in Australia and probably worldwide. Just vote informally so you don’t cop a fine and go about your business. They’re becoming increasingly irrelevant even if they haven’t realised it yet.

23 02 2013

I’m not offended at all….. I might’ve been once, but not any more. I struggle with informal voting. I keep saying “this time…”, but I still end up voting Green, if only to “stick it” to the others… and knowing they won”t get in…..

Regarding extremism, I think because we live in extreme times, we need extreme solutions. I’m over the Greens because they are not extreme enough. So I’m not sure (because you don’t state it) why you think “The Greens are possibly the worst, maddest political party we have”.

For the record, I’m mad as hell! I cannot believe that the unfolding catastrophe is allowed to unfold. As Fawzi Ibrahim said, “today, Humanity faces a stark choice: save the planet and ditch capitalism, or save capitalism and ditch the planet”.

Your thoughts?

25 02 2013

Well I’m glad then (that you’re not offended) 😉

I think that the unfolding catastrophe is happening due to the overwhelming devotion to growth and profit at all cost. I honestly don’t think there’s much that can be done about it, especially while the media keep ramming it down everyone’s throats “Gloomy growth forecasts” etc dominating headlines.

It should be enough that a company is profitable; that the profit increases or decreases year on year is irrelevant.

Also with governments/would-be governments pandering to minority interest groups (stiff shit western Sydney McMansion dwellers, you *are* a minority!) and big business, what hope for the political system is there? Very little IMO, just so long as they can manage to keep funding the hospitals. Was going to say the Police too, but history has shown that law enforcement gets tighter and more invasive as systems unwind, so they are unlikely to run out of funds irrespective of their effectiveness.

Good interview with Jeremy Grantham I think you will enjoy:

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